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Should I Report this?

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Posted by SunDevil09 (43) 11 Jan 2018#1
Someone that was recently hired by a team that I know closely and work with has deceived his/her way in the team by doctoring his/her resume. This person has never directly worked for the prestigious US companies which are listed on his/her resume. In the resume, the person has deceitfully worded working for these US companies in such a way that it is hard to find out that they were actually the clients of the body shopping company(2 of which are from WITHCES) that he/she worked for. The deception is so obvious if you look at his/her resume carefully.

The hiring manager(also an Indian) who knew this person from a previous work setting conveniently decided to ignore all of this and brought him/her on board(obviously).

I have access to the actual resume and the email that this person sent to the hiring manager. In the email this person summarized his/her top competencies which included false statements about working directly for the US companies..this time without even playing with the words..just simply lied.

I am planning to report this to :
1) Company's internal ethics and compliance(anonymously so that I don't get in trouble).
2) Possibly to USCIS

What do you guys think?? please let me know..
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Posted by usics (774) 11 Jan 2018#2
to SunDevil09:

What would happen if you don't report:
Such candidates would exploit the system.
Their performance would be sub par & clients would have a -ve image for all H1 candidates/vendor employees
In long run the growth of genuine hard working candidates would suffer.

I would suggest be genuine & report this, there is nothing better than working with honesty & giving the best for every penny earned.

It's each one of us who can make the system better.
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Posted by WTF2005 (101) 11 Jan 2018#3
to SunDevil09:

I would say just ignore for now. Be generous. Why do you wana put somebody in trouble when they haven't caused you any trouble and take that sin. Let time decide. But if you think you have suffered in anyway because of that, then yes go behind. There are a ton of people not only with fake resumes, but even fake degrees.
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Posted by usics (774) 11 Jan 2018#4
to WTF2005:

Why should this not be reported?

You go to a store & shoplift some item, thats not causing trouble to anyone but then why is it illegal?

Even USCIS clearly says, report any such irregularities, this is the only way you clean up the system.

Some day our kids will grow up & might be working under such fake guy, do you think you would be happy for your kid??
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Posted by Frack (17) 11 Jan 2018#5
to SunDevil09:

It is an ethical/moral quagmire, would it make more sense to approach the individual and ask him to do the right thing*, rather than forcing you to do the right thing?
*Right thing is up for debate.
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Posted by kcs0079 (46) 11 Jan 2018#6
to SunDevil09:

Go ahead & report it to HR for now and make absolutely sure that your identity doesn't come out. At this point you dont know the forces behind the hiring process in your company and do you really think that the HR would not have done proper vetting before hiring the candidate you are talking about?. I'm just saying that there may be more people involved here than just the hiring manager.
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Posted by usics (774) 11 Jan 2018#7
to kcs0079:

I would recommend reporting it to USCIS only, that way you don't risk yourself. Its sometimes easy within an Org to identify who was the anonymous. But with USCIS that would always be anonymous & right action will be taken. The action taken by the company will be driven by revenue loss, so chances of the company taking action are less.
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Posted by WTF2005 (101) 11 Jan 2018#8
to usics:

Your analogy is of poor taste. you can't draw a parallel between a shoplifter and somebody with a fake resume, though to certain extent is also an act of felony and i'm neither justifying nor appreciating it.

By reporting an individual you will only be ruining his/her career who has just come here to make a living like anybody else. may be he has the substance to perform at work who knows? the fault is not his, but rather the people who hire them and the consulting companies who encourage and draft their fake resume. these people still roam scot free.

if you are really serious in cleansing the system report companies doing mass fraud like bringing L1s and placing them at the client site, the rampant EB1c abuse.. why just target a poor individual, yes if because of him if your job is in jeopardy or something like that then go ahead and complain.

Uscis says before hiring an H1, the employer should make all efforts to find talent locally. how many companies sincerely do it? they all flout rules and that is how they are able to bring in mass numbers every year.
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Posted by usics (774) 11 Jan 2018#9
to WTF2005:

As per your thought lets allow all fake profiles, please go ahead & call out.

You have not experienced how much it is of a problem to get onboard a fake profile & struggle to get the tasks done, its a bigger revenue loss. My organization depends on the selection panel to get a perfect profile & because of the amount of fake profiles coming in it's a nightmare to select the right person.

At least my organization sincerely does GC processing (No L1/L1As in my organization), I realized this when I joined my organization & was part of the team for growth. we have only 3% of H1 population and the preference is always given to citizens, then GC & then H1.

We have GBs of video recording of skype interview, believe me if we release them it would earn Oscar for a comic movie and this is when we have 3% of H1 staff, I can imagine what level of people would be in H1 dependent companies.
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Posted by waitingH1BP (21) 11 Jan 2018#10
to usics:

I am working in the one company for above 10 yrs.... i dont know why u r worrying abt that person? Its a an issue with hiring process... did u affect because of him? If u reported, his whole life is big question mark. Pls think twice. All are genuine in our life????? Show ur finger on u and if you are right always pls report
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Posted by KrazyM (12) 11 Jan 2018#11
Is this candidate a H1B employee? If so, the employer should have known the previous employer name. Previously filed petitions are required for filing H1 Transfer.

How do you concluded that the employer (HR/Hiring Manager/Immigration Team etc) would not know the previous employers of the candidate?

If the candidate is GC/Citizen, then there is a possibility that the previous employer is not known to current employer. But even in that case, most corporate does background check through third party and ensures that everything looks good and matches company policy.

In any case, if you feel discriminated or someone has lost their chance just because the new employee previously worked in consulting company you can report to HR.

If you feel that there is immigration fraud by your employer, please report to government agencies like DHS/USCIS.
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Posted by nomad_musafir (30) 12 Jan 2018#12
to SunDevil09:

If it were a Multinational International alleged Manager, I wouldn't even think twice before reporting. Otherwise, it is up to you. I still would have.
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Posted by vegas2017 (361) 12 Jan 2018#13
to SunDevil09:

This is the case in every company . Every single IT consulting company in this country is doing this. the only way to get rid of this is to restart the Civilization on planet earth . This fake resume disease can not be eradicated.
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Posted by SunDevil09 (43) 12 Jan 2018#14
Thank you all for your inputs. Some people really went overboard with their speculations.

I have reported this to USCIS with the evidence I had. Hopefully, they will take necessary actions. I will be reporting this to DOL as well shortly.
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Posted by govindam (9) 12 Jan 2018#15
to SunDevil09:

How do you know that he did not work for those companies?
How did you access his resume?
I would say, it's unnecessary headache. Focus on your work and goals.
I do not support at all for what he or in the H-1B body shops are doing such things.

Let the government ask or find something. Employer will be responsible and be in trouble, remember you're working there too and say, you've everything correctly and if the USCIS create a policy for small things, it'll delay your case too because you're all in part of it working for same org

Think twice or more before reporting to USCIS. It'll cause lot of ripples in your workplace itself.
It will cause unnecessary other issues with USCIS adding extra time taking tasks.
Everyone is already facing baseless RFE's with crazy policies and facing such troubles.
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Posted by usics (774) 12 Jan 2018#16
to SunDevil09:

You did the right thing.
People opposing here were fake at some point of their life.!
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Posted by nomad_musafir (30) 12 Jan 2018#17
to SunDevil09:

Kudos!
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Posted by usdream999 (30) 13 Jan 2018#18
to SunDevil09:

Your example has given me courage. My manager hired his distant nephew on H1 last October with no work experience and with a resume that claimed he had 4 years of QA experience in a big company. The client did not interview him (possibly my manager has connection there as well). His nephew hardly does any work and we share the load.
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Posted by h1bworker1313 (5) 15 Jan 2018#19
to SunDevil09:


Just do it , let us know the outcome .
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Posted by usdream999 (30) 11 Feb 2018#20
to usdream999:

Guys! I have to share this success story here. I actually spoke to HR who brought my manager's manager into conversation. I told that client wasn't happy because of bad hires who did no work, we may loose business and revenue, and also come under radar for H1 abuse. I wasn't included in the discussions after the first meeting and had no hope. I also felt stupid to report putting my own job at risk. But on Friday, it was announced that my manager won't be managing anyone anymore. All of us are now reporting directly to the skip level and he will find a new manager soon. Obviously, the three minions that my manager brought are shit scared. My manager is now my peer and I believe he's on his way out soon.
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Posted by usics (774) 11 Feb 2018#21
to usdream999:

Kudos.
This worked only when you took some steps, if we all think why should I bother about the abuse system things will never improve.
All should take inspiration from this.
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Posted by cubik (145) 11 Feb 2018#22
to usdream999:

Well done bro! I'm glad the legal fraudster gets ousted soon!
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