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H.R. 392, Fairness for High Skilled Immigrants Act

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Posted by trackall (30) 01 Jan 2018#2876
to Equality:


assume two ppl are working at a company. same job.
person A has 2 kids.
person B has 13 kids.

do you think company has to pay extra salary to B because of more kuds?

having multiple kids is choice made by B

he will have to adjust.

paying extra is descrimination.
paying same is equality.
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Posted by Equality (213) 01 Jan 2018#2877
And sorry. I forgot to Greet you All

"Happy New Year Everyone" May 2018 bring some solution for we the people waiting in endless queue. So that we all can get on with our life and come out of this constant Fear which we all have been living with since 10-15 years.
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Posted by Equality (213) 01 Jan 2018#2878
to trackall:

Sorry But what an stupid argument. changed few words
assume two ppl are working at a company. same job.
person A has 2 kids.
person B has 13 kids.

do you think company has to pay LESS salary to B because he has 13 kids?

having multiple kids is choice made by B

paying LESS is discrimination.
paying same is equality. (which means treating them equally and not based on the family size)
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Posted by trackall (30) 01 Jan 2018#2879
to Equality:

And... most importantly...

In this world, people have RIGHTs in a country where they have their passport.

UNTIL, you get that passport, anything and everything outside that country is a privilege (if any).

so, just go by their laws. They can define their laws however they see fit for them.
NO QUESTIONS accepted. If you dont like those rules, you r welcome to execute your rights in a country where u have ur passport.

Note: I am not referring to YOU as a person here. :)
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Posted by trackall (30) 01 Jan 2018#2880
to Equality:

Changed again:

assume two ppl are working at a company. same job.
person A has 2 kids.
person B has 13 kids.

do you think company has to pay DFFERENT salary to A/B based on how many kids they have?

having multiple kids is choice made by an individual

paying DIFFERENT is discrimination.
paying same is equality. (which means treating them equally and not based on the family size)
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Posted by Equality (213) 01 Jan 2018#2881
to trackall:

Agree. and this is Democracy. We pay taxes we go with same rules as other resident in the country. So we also have certain rights. We can voice our opinion on subjects which matters to us. we are waiting in GC and this subject Matters to us. so we can Comment and bring out our point of view. I agree the American and there Law makers will decide but then we have every right to say what not Right.
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Posted by Equality (213) 01 Jan 2018#2882
to trackall:

Yes. people in EB2 are all same they all have approved 140. THIS IS EMPLOYMENT BASED GC. They should not be discriminated based on the country of birth since a country can be as big and populated as India (west bengal is only 1 of 29 states in India) and small like Bangladesh (east bengal equal to 1 Indian state)
Infact it can be even smaller like Vatican City with just few hundred people
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Posted by trackall (30) 01 Jan 2018#2883
to Equality:

you can just "say" whatever you want to say. thats freedom of speech. you can express ur views.

But, these wishful thinkings would not help solve the problem.

We need to come out of the bubble. If we r still in denial that these arguments buy us anything, we will be fooling ourselves.

Good Luck.
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Posted by trackall (30) 01 Jan 2018#2884

Yes. people in EB2 are all same they all have approved 140. THIS IS EMPLOYMENT BASED GC. They should not be discriminated based on the country of birth since a country can be as big and populated as India (west bengal is only 1 of 29 states in India) and small like Bangladesh (east bengal equal to 1 Indian state)
Infact it can be even smaller like Vatican City with just few hundred people




to Equality:



And... there is something called diversity.

America is also based on a fundamental foundation called diversity along with immigration.

They need to balance that too...

Lawmakers have to protect all their principles. Whoever made the law foreseen this influx and added checks and balances to make sure their founding principles (diversity) is protected.
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Posted by Equality (213) 01 Jan 2018#2885
to trackall:

:) Look at your argument Yourself. Does it make sense to even you???
You are saying choice of Individual. Getting born in a country is not a CHOICE buddy. It is what you do after it is your choice. Logical comparison should be as below
2 person same company which have 140 approved with same priority date. Performing the same task then why 1 should wait for life and 1 can get right away
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Posted by Equality (213) 01 Jan 2018#2886
to trackall:

You tell whats wrong in the argument and for God sake come up with something logical :)
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Posted by Equality (213) 01 Jan 2018#2887
to trackall:

Ok
So America has 50 K Diversity GC for that. You Know India dont even qualify for that lottery.
Employment based GC is just 140K GC out of 1.1 million GC granted
Please explain how much it will change the diversity of the country.
More over These people are already in USA. Living here for years. So how will this change diversity

Please provide data just dont keep putting you baseless arguments
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Posted by trackall (30) 01 Jan 2018#2888

:) Look at your argument Yourself. Does it make sense to even you???
You are saying choice of Individual. Getting born in a country is not a CHOICE buddy. It is what you do after it is your choice. Logical comparison should be as below
2 person same company which have 140 approved with same priority date. Performing the same task then why 1 should wait for life and 1 can get right away


to Equality:



simple.

As a country, America does NOT want excessive ppl from the same country. They want to get a mix to protect their culture.

If these checks and balances are not in place, entre third world population would end up in USA and America does NOT want to be another third world country. Period. Those are the rules they defined and they have EVERY right to define whatever they feel right. We may not like it. But, too bad so sad.
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Posted by Equality (213) 01 Jan 2018#2889
to trackall:

emotional Argument again with no facts. entire 3rd world :) People in country are waiting from decades for there GC and you are saying entire 3rd world. which world are you living in. Talk facts and figure
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Posted by trackall (30) 01 Jan 2018#2890
to Equality:

Go to Bay Area, NJ Edison, Dallas, etc etc.

u would know what I am talking.

Anyway, Am done with it. You r welcome to express whatever u feel like.


Good Luck.
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Posted by Equality (213) 01 Jan 2018#2891
to trackall:

Thanks. I dont need to go anywhere. Data is readily available on internet. There are only 1% Indian American community in USA - This includes Citizen, GC holder and Visa holders
employment based is just 140 K and total GC being granted is 1.1 million (All Legal Immigrant in a year) and total population of America is 323 Million. i assume you are have been STEM student and can do the needful math for finding the impact to Diversity in USA :)
Also AGAIN these people are already in US and the only transition which will be from NOn immigrant Visa to a Immigrant Visa. So net net HR 392 does not change any diversity in next 5-7 years
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Posted by whateverCrap (55) 01 Jan 2018#2892
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Posted by Equality (213) 01 Jan 2018#2893
to whateverCrap:

kevin Yoder knows the issue and understands its completely and is our Flag Bearer. And he is absolutely correct that more people in congress who will see and know our situation will totally understand and support our cause
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Posted by whateverCrap (55) 01 Jan 2018#2894
to Equality:

At least one reputed web site recognizes the existence of this bill. EB2I is doomed if this bill is not passed into law..
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Posted by DrainTheSwamp (39) 01 Jan 2018#2895

yes First come First Serve. That how it should be. Non Discriminatory and fair for all.
Exactly 6-8 years No New Immigration which is what Trump wants. The people in country will get those GC Net Net no Immigration in Eb2 and Eb3.
HR 170 - Companies will lobby tooth and nail and lobby hard to stop it
AC 21 - Rule change - in 2 weeks. Can you please explain the process of rule making. As far as i know it needs to come on federal register and then should be open for impacted parties and people to comment and ask question for 60 days. The Admin has to make change /answer the questions then once implemented then the rule will generally give 30-60 for department to start implementation
Agree - 60K is low should have been inflation adjusted since start. BUT JUST THINK why it was not done at start. Do you think the congress at that time was idiot ? The fact would be that companies would have lobbied hard to me done this way :)

to Equality:



First of all, the administration is not just focusing on reducing future immigration but at also pushing the folks in long queues out of the country to open these spots for American workers.

Second, interpretation does not take that long. Agree not two weeks but the point being the time it will take to get a new interpretation of "may" and "shall" into place is much much shorter than how long it will take to have 392 go into effect.

As all humans, I am selfish and care about my GC ... whether a million Indians get it with me doesn't impact me. However, we need to rational. All that I am trying to say is that folks who believe that 392 will get passed in its current form and during 2018 are HIGHLY mistaken. The bill is going against what the administration is trying to do.

The administration does not have to touch EB visas right now. In order to achieve their goals they will only play with H1b. They will tighten H1b approval, bring something to change extension from 3 to 1 year after 6 years and bring in higher H1b salaries. Let these 3 stay in place for 2 ~3 years and 90% of folks in long queues are toast.
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Posted by Equality (213) 01 Jan 2018#2896
to DrainTheSwamp:

Any big change about 6+ year extension given in AC 21 will need a change in LAW. If Administration tries to play with it on there own They will be put to court and will fail since they have been giving 6+ year extension with there current interpretation and they will have to say why they did it that way in the year 2001

The only thing Admin can do is unlawfully deny H1B visa and companies will take them to court. In order to make any change a law needs to pass from congress. Administration is there to IMPLEMENT Law NOT MAKE Laws as their political bosses wants.

Bill going against Administration ? What i see happening is Administration going against LAW by trying to downplay AC21. Can't you see it?

Administration has no authority to restrict Immigration. All Legal immigration numbers are US laws and Admin work is to implement it.

Again any change required in H1B will need law to pass from congress be it 6+ year extension. be it minimum wage clause (HR 392) or any EB changes
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Posted by horizon2017 (43) 01 Jan 2018#2897
Absolutely there is no way to get HR 392 approved, especially in this political scenario. Moreover, HR 392 is not at all a solution for our problems as the administration is pushing for RAISE act. Just think what will be our future if RAISE act is getting passed right away after HR 392 passes. Immediately HR 392 will become a waste. In my opinion, we need to get rid of HR 392 completely and convince the lawmakers to include something beneficial for backlogged people in RAISE act. That is the only possible solution as of now.
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Posted by moveitforward (28) 01 Jan 2018#2898
to horizon2017:

HR392 should be attached to the great immigration bill that would come in January for DACA, border wall etc.. HR392 can’t go alone on its own. It won’t fly.
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Posted by horizon2017 (43) 01 Jan 2018#2899
to moveitforward:

What is the benefit for us if they pass RAISE act?
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Posted by DrainTheSwamp (39) 01 Jan 2018#2900
392 is a distraction and waste of time. Agree that 392 is a waster if/once RAISE is passed. If RAISE is passed, they need re-evaluate everyone who has been in the queue and give them credit for their work experience in the US.

Or maybe rename 392 to - H.R. 392, Fairness for High Skilled Indian Immigrants Act

Administration's job is to make sure the "best and the brightest" migrate to the US. Everything else is our problem and not their. If a kid was born in the US what is the problem with them going to school in their parent's country of residence ? US citizens are not and will not be asked to leave. When illegals are deported their kids have the option to go with the parents or stay in the US. Same would apply.
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