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H.R. 392, Fairness for High Skilled Immigrants Act

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Posted by LazyImmigrant (106) 15 Jan 2018#2951
to abuscis8:

Yes they might be credit hungry, and i know they misrepresent facts to improve their standing among us :
1. Intervention in Save Jobs USA case is one example.
2. The recent I140 based extension fiasco is another.

But the fact is, they have smartly realized a few things :
1. HR 392 solves a lot of problems the community faces.
2. The only way to pass it would be for it to be part of another legislation as they have rightly figured out that the congress does
not have the stomach for real immigration reform. Even if the GOP were to get to 60 seats in the senate, the GOP is a
complex party of a varied set of ideologies - all the way from free market moderates to KKK sympathizers. It may not be
possible to build consensus on a bill. Plus they will rather use their political capital to work on issues they have consensus
on - entitlement reform, increased military spending etc.
3. DACA is popular among Americans, and it is the most logical vehicle to the passage of this bill. But, there has to be a reason to include this to DACA (hence the suggestion for the $1000 fee - it may not work, but it sure doesn't hurt the cause)- nobody, i repeat nobody really cares about fairness towards us - remember, previous immigration legislation specifically excluded Indians and other Asians. We were described as "The most undesirable of the Asiatics". You know the original purpose of the Diversity Lottery was to engineer a way to ensure that there was a pathway for Irish and other Northern Europeans to immigrate to the US. I doubt anyone would do that for us.
4. Their work to sign up cosponsors (or cosponserers as Aman calls them) ensures that they bill is viewed as a non controversial piece of legislation when included into any other piece of legislation.

Now we all hate how arrogant they sound on their FB/Twitter pages etc, i do think of all the groups working on this, theirs is the best strategy - sending letters/tweeting at people will not move the needle.
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Posted by spartanz (452) 16 Jan 2018#2952
For all who are living in denial

here is the reality

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/01/...

Directly from the WH
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Posted by gcforevergc (291) 16 Jan 2018#2953
to spartanz:

i like it
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Posted by EB24life (560) 16 Jan 2018#2954
to :

Why do you crap your pants every time you see IV?
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Posted by EB1CScam (112) 16 Jan 2018#2955
why can't IV use its visibility to expose EB1C scam ??
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Posted by LazyImmigrant (106) 16 Jan 2018#2956
to EB1CScam:

Few reasons :
1. It does not help our cause by feeding the narrative that immigrants are fraudsters.
2. EB1C is not a scam - USCIS has repeatedly evaluated what being a manager means, and what function, role in the
company/department etc mean.

While the rule may sound ridiculous, that a team lead with a title of manager working for TCS can transfer to the US on a L1A and have a green card in 6 months, it is not their fault that the law and the rules have not kept pace with 20th century corporate structure (yes i said 20th century). When they wrote the bill, they must have imagined Narayan Murthy getting a Green Card through EB1C - but laws are applied as written - if you supervise people or lead a function in a foreign country and are transferred to the US, you are an international manager.
I wish i was eligible for this - but, we need to stop complaining about this. It's like complaining about the rain, you can complain all you want, it's not gonna help you.
Move on!! May be marry an American, or transfer to India for a year and go the EB1c route
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Posted by EB1CScam (112) 16 Jan 2018#2957

Few reasons :
1. It does not help our cause by feeding the narrative that immigrants are fraudsters.
2. EB1C is not a scam - USCIS has repeatedly evaluated what being a manager means, and what function, role in the
company/department etc mean.

While the rule may sound ridiculous, that a team lead with a title of manager working for TCS can transfer to the US on a L1A and have a green card in 6 months, it is not their fault that the law and the rules have not kept pace with 20th century corporate structure (yes i said 20th century). When they wrote the bill, they must have imagined Narayan Murthy getting a Green Card through EB1C - but laws are applied as written - if you supervise people or lead a function in a foreign country and are transferred to the US, you are an international manager.
I wish i was eligible for this - but, we need to stop complaining about this. It's like complaining about the rain, you can complain all you want, it's not gonna help you.
Move on!! May be marry an American, or transfer to India for a year and go the EB1c route



to LazyImmigrant:



no wonder you are rotting in queue- you just want to maintain the status quo.
It will just say that EB1C scammers stole GCs from genuine immigrants. EB1C scammers are worse than illegals.
Just accept it for what it is -- call it a loophole, a scam or whatever-- the basic point is why should EB1C get his/her GC faster if he has same qualifications as EB2/3 and doing the same job ?? EB2/3 is only 2800 GCs each whereas EB1C India alone consumes 40,000 GCs each year. You think there is any chance for EB2/3 to progress without exposing EB1C scam ??
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Posted by Equality (222) 17 Jan 2018#2958
Fact is Trump wants daca to expire without any dreamer bill because he wants to keep his anti immigrants lobby happy.
That's why the person and WH which was saying daca for wall added diversity and legal family based immigration topic to it which Democrats will never agree
If you see Trump last few statement he quickly came out of conclusion that the talks are broken and no more daca deal due to democrats.
He did not even want the congress to talk the subject
Daca people in trouble untill they block the funding bill of govt to be done by 19th jan
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Posted by EB24life (560) 17 Jan 2018#2959
to EB1CScam:

Everyone picks their fight. IV has picked hr392. You can pick the eb1c loophole fight if you want.

You don't dontae, don't participate in anything reg hr392, keep trashing iv and still want them to pick up YOUR fight?
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Posted by rahul408 (181) 17 Jan 2018#2960
to :

Save this question and ask again in 2023. We all will hopefully have a clearer picture. If not then you can check back in 2028 and so on..
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Posted by srisap (190) 17 Jan 2018#2961
to :

dont even get into trackitt untill 2024, you will save a lot of time for yourselves

you will be better off tearing away your passport :P
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Posted by rahul408 (181) 17 Jan 2018#2962


Without this bill it is going to be around 2023-24

to AceMaan:



What is the basis of this timeline? I think without any reform, 2014 will not be getting GC till like late 2030s. Does your timeline assume a significant immigration reform from now till 2024?
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Posted by srisap (190) 17 Jan 2018#2963
to AceMaan:

looking at the way things are going, there is nothing coming

what we are seeing is mere posturing for November elections, hoping something will happen for legals would end up as disappointment

i was hopeful the days bipartisan meeting happened, but the way "sh*thole" episode is going on, I am clear this is just another episode of drama between D and R'

as the courts have stayed the DACA cancellation, DACA is no more a priority for either of the parties
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Posted by rahul408 (181) 17 Jan 2018#2964
to AceMaan:

Nothing like a statement backed up by a sound logic. May not come to be true but still solid logic. Thank you!
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Posted by IMMITALK (316) 17 Jan 2018#2965
Senator Cotton recently spoke about Indians stuck in GC queue. I will take that as a good sign as it tells me that top GOP politicians are aware about the issue we desi face.

In case Government shuts down or their is a short term fix to keep spending going then in both cases both parties have to work on permanent solution on DACA and immigrantion. I feel that GOP is able to convince American people that merit based immigration is better hence GOP leaders are openly speaking about it. We should see a bill in Feb.
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Posted by desiguy08 (124) 17 Jan 2018#2966
to IMMITALK:

Not even a single influential rep is supporter to HR392 so I am sure it would not be attached with phase-I. And as most people know once DACA deal is done Dem would not be interested anything further. So best bet at this time is if they can include Skill Based Immigration with DACA which is also looking rare change as now Rep lost their bargain power and Rep will accept whatever will come as a win after so get beaten on by media on ****hole comment
DACA applications already start accepting so Dem are not in hurry
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Posted by EB1CScam (112) 17 Jan 2018#2967



Just accept it for what it is -- call it a loophole, a scam or whatever-- the basic point is why should EB1C get his/her GC faster if he has same qualifications as EB2/3 and doing the same job ?? EB2/3 is only 2800 GCs each whereas EB1C India alone consumes 40,000 GCs each year. You think there is any chance for EB2/3 to progress without exposing EB1C scam ??

to AceMaan:



2012 - EB1 India 9,506, EB2 India 19726, EB3 - 2804
2013 - EB1 India 9,640, EB2 India 17193, EB3 - 7816
2014 - EB1 India 12978, EB2 India 23527, EB3 - 3526
2015 - EB1 India 12253, EB2 India 7235, EB3 - 7003
2016 - EB1 India 10985, EB2 India 3930, EB3 - 4617

So for 5 years EB1 India got 55362, EB2 India got 71611, EB3 India got 25766. The minimum quota for each category is 14020 for the same period (2804 * 5).

So your assumption of only 2800 for EB2/3 is wrong, same with your statement 40000 GC's each year when the actual USCIS numbers show about 11K per year over the last 5.





you idiot and failure in life, do you have any sources for your data-- I know from your posts that you are an old man who traveled all over world and got kicked out from Kuwait and is now here, trying to get a green card. I know your mental diseases -- Stockholm Syndrome. Either cite a source for your fake data or accept that you are a paid troll of Cognizant to promote EB1C SCAM.
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Posted by LazyImmigrant (106) 17 Jan 2018#2968
to EB1CScam:

Before we sink into insults - the fact that ROW EB2 and EB3 are current ensures that the number of Indian visas will be > 2804. Because any unused visa from ROW EB2/3 goes to Retrogressed EB2/3.
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Posted by EB1CScam (112) 17 Jan 2018#2969

source of my data is USCIS annual reports.
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal...



to AceMaan:



such a low IQ-- you might have as well said -- www.uscis.gov

come on man, stop fooling around ! Why you think EB2/3 have declined sharply ?? EB1C India consuming their quotas !
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Posted by EB1CScam (112) 17 Jan 2018#2970

You can wake up a person who is asleep, unfortunately you cannot if someone pretends to be ignorant you can’t help it. Dos maintains the list

to AceMaan:



just get lost-- I dont want to talk to you-- you really are a failure-- 50 years old and still getting herded like a cattle and no shame.
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Posted by rahul408 (181) 17 Jan 2018#2971

If you don’t want to talk fine. But know your numbers are wrong. I gave you the proof

to AceMaan:



Why are you even engaging in discussions with this troll? This guy has been suspended before because this ID is new and he is talking about forums posts from last year. He is in the closet guy who checks out profiles of everyone (stalker) and then trolls them on age etc. He is having fun and i think we are feeding the monster

But I must say I got entertained today myself as he revealed that he is spiritual baba (which i suspected all along)
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Posted by EB1CScam (112) 17 Jan 2018#2972


If you don’t want to talk fine. But know your numbers are wrong. I gave you the proof

to rahul408:



Why are you even engaging in discussions with this troll? This guy has been suspended before because this ID is new and he is talking about forums posts from last year. He is in the closet guy who checks out profiles of everyone (stalker) and then trolls them on age etc. He is having fun and i think we are feeding the monster

But I must say I got entertained today myself as he revealed that he is spiritual baba (which i suspected all along)



get your facts straight moron -- looking through your past posts to destroy your credibility is not stalking. I hope your H4EAD wife is having extra marital affair while you get wasted on beer and football :D after all, she can marry a white guy and get GC instantly. You cant give her a GC :D
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Posted by rahul408 (181) 17 Jan 2018#2973
to EB1CScam:

Your parents must be so proud of you. They gave birth to you. Hats off to them. I would like to meet them some day.
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Posted by Equality (222) 17 Jan 2018#2974
to AceMaan:

US economy is growing fast assuming less immigrants in coming year will not be correct be it India or be it rest of the world
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Posted by Equality (222) 17 Jan 2018#2975
to EB1CScam:

Spill over to eb2i and eb3i is reducing mainly because of row applicants increasing due to better us economy and more jobs in last 2-3 years
Eb2i and eb3i will move hand in hand since all who applied in eb3 India will now qualify for eb2 since there experience has increasing while waiting. So they all can port to eb2
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