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H.R. 392, Fairness for High Skilled Immigrants Act

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Posted by waitforever123 (443) 23 Jan 2017#26
to coolwk:

It may still take few years(they will have some quotas carved out for ROW) for this to clear out backlog. But some of the very badly backlogged categories like EB2-I and EB3-I could try to catch up with China at least, than the both countries combined could start approaching ROW, but in the end everyone will get slow. It might become norm for everyone to wait 5-10 years for GC. Currently ROW keep skipping the queues, so India and China get slower, but in reality there are more people applying for GC than the available numbers, so building of the queue is unavoidable in the long run.
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Posted by waitforever123 (443) 23 Jan 2017#27
to sameer3:

Talk is very different than action, let us see how for that goes. Future H1B's/L1B's might become difficult, which might be help GC. You never know what actions cause what effect.
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Posted by bstx (25) 23 Jan 2017#28
Friends, Here is my 2 cents.
Each one of us affected by eb2 eb3 backlogs and close to decades of wait time should put all our efforts to support HR 392.
IV (Immigration Voice) is doing a big push for re-adding old co-sponsors to this re-introduced bill

I do not belong to IV, but after attending their call last week, I am convinced that they have one of the best approach going forward to push this bill

It was great to see that IV has also teamed up with one of leading Immigration Lawyer from DC, Mr. Leon Fresco from Holland & Knight LLP, which should add a lot of positive push to their efforts.

I feel all of us who are backlogged and waiting in the GC queue must support IV in contacting our local congressperson of our respective zipcodes,

for help on contacting congressperson IV has setup a well organized group where we can join on: TELEGRAM.IMMIGRATIONVOICE.ORG , this will help us team up with like minded individuals affected by GC backlogs in our areas,
and together contact the congressperson, (many people contacting on same issue is alway better than one person)


I dont think any attorney groups are genuinely interested for removing GC backlog, as this will kill their biggest source of revenue (extension/transfer/refiling etc etc). Consultancy firms also want long backlogs, so that they can use it to suppress wages.


hopefully this will help us get greened after all these years waiting... Just my 2 cents...
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Posted by lwfp1 (268) 23 Jan 2017#29
to bstx:

u said that u dont belong to IV.. but i have seen ur posts in other forums where u said u have contributed to them.. isn't that conflicting.. or IV has multi-level membership.. liek one for those who can contribute, others for those who can do sth else, and on top the elitest group of those who do sth but cannot be questioned.. just wanted to get clarity as you know more about IV..
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Posted by arc99 (1002) 23 Jan 2017#30
to lwfp1:

This is the same text carried over from before. So may be it was relevant during that time but should have been removed now. It's funny if you imagine the fate of thousands of people hangs on someone's having time to fix the text or not.

But definitely "increase in family-based limit" triggers a NO in the current context when everyone is against chain-migration. That bill needs to be amended. We can write to Jason Chaffetz and see what he says. Let's do that.
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Posted by lwfp1 (268) 23 Jan 2017#31

This is the same text carried over from before. So may be it was relevant during that time but should have been removed now. It's funny if you imagine the fate of thousands of people hangs on someone's having time to fix the text or not.

But definitely "increase in family-based limit" triggers a NO in the current context when everyone is against chain-migration. That bill needs to be amended. We can write to Jason Chaffetz and see what he says. Let's do that.

to arc99:


Agree. Only hope is that bill can be amended to remove this clause.
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Posted by h1bforlife (18) 23 Jan 2017#32
Maybe a stupid question. Say they remove the per country limits and do nothing with the visa numbers for family. Now all of a sudden you have all of us backlogged from India and China become eligible for a GC and since the family counts were never revised, does that mean that we could potentially have an issue with getting a GC for your family? Or is this specifically for family who are not immediately related like a brother/sister.
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Posted by bstx (25) 23 Jan 2017#33

u said that u dont belong to IV.. but i have seen ur posts in other forums where u said u have contributed to them.. isn't that conflicting.. or IV has multi-level membership.. liek one for those who can contribute, others for those who can do sth else, and on top the elitest group of those who do sth but cannot be questioned.. just wanted to get clarity as you know more about IV..

to lwfp1:



I am convinced by IV approach and so I have contributed to IV, I don't see any conflict in contributing to a good cause.

Financial contribution is totally a personal decision for each one of us, all I am requesting is we at least support them by contacting our local elected representatives/congressperson by joining them. It is all volunteers like us who are in GC queue putting in all the work.

If any other group is making similar effort to address GC backlog or push HR392, I will contribute to that group as welll if I can afford to, I am all for any efforts to remove GC backlogs
Hope that helps...
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Posted by lwfp1 (268) 23 Jan 2017#34
to bstx:

I think you are intentionally dodging the main question I asked. As of what I know, people contribute and join their telegram group. That means they become IV members and are associated to it. so you are saying you have not joined their telegram group..
My intention is that if you really are IV member, I can ask you some clarifications on their work which you can further check with IV leaders. Dont take it otherwise.
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Posted by bstx (25) 23 Jan 2017#35
to lwfp1:

I have only contributed to them but not yet joined to telegram group as yet. I am in their mailing list probably because I have contributed in the past and get email updates on their upcoming activities, and calls.
I am not sure which of your main question I am intentionally dodging....

As far as I know financial contributions is purely optional and not mandatory, upto the individual.

Listening to their last call, I felt they wanted more people supporting at the ground level, all over the country in reaching out to elected representatives. Which is why I am posting in here, to spread awareness of this effort.I sincerely feel we must support anyone working towards removing GC backog issue

I have no access to their leaders and hopefully their website should help you get that info.
Hope that helps
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Posted by lwfp1 (268) 24 Jan 2017#36
to bstx:

Thanks for info. Actually I doubt they will reply on their website. Will try joining their telegram group and if found useful will contribute also.
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Posted by Hope123456789 (118) 02 Feb 2017#37
to lwfp1:

Question to the mathematicians here:
Say this rule goes through. In your opinion, where would this put eb2i and eb3i dates? Taking the 85% fifo and dependent applications into account.
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Posted by satish78 (804) 02 Feb 2017#38
https://www.facebook.com/SkilledImmigrantsinAmer...

HR-392 Cosponsors increased from 38 to 52 today. It took about one and half years for HR213 to reach similar land mark and we are here just with 22 days of bill being introduced.

Let's not lose the momentum. The more participation and more awareness from 1.5 million folks stuck in greencard backlog, the more cosponsors we get and higher the chances of it clearing the house.

Go Team SIIA!!!!
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Posted by Drajd (33) 02 Feb 2017#39
to satish78:

They should change the title of the Bill to Fairness for American workers before immigrants, so that there are no protests.
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Posted by festinaLente (131) 02 Feb 2017#40
to satish78:

This should get through with the help of Silicon Valley also. They want backlogs cleared and want more skilled immigrants. Refugees will take a backseat while Indians and Asians stand to gain by way of public policy. It's about time -
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Posted by nightwatchman (156) 02 Feb 2017#41
to festinaLente:

Here's my thought - The bill has just been introduced. I feel they will not be able to apply it retrospectively.

I say that because say you work with an Indian IT firm, say Infosys which is a primary IT services vendor that has 300 - 500 folks onsite at a client. Along with Infosys, there are other vendors like CTS at the same client that has about 100 folks. Almost all of these 500 - 600 folks are on H1b/L1. Now, if the bill becomes a law and impacts these companies. For simplicity sake lets say these visa expire in 3 phase over 3 years. So, each year US companies will need to find and train new 150-200 people and to replace these contractors. How will US companies (clients) be able to replace 500-600 people. Its a tough task ! Also, now this same situation will occur with all the fortune 500 companies ! It will be a disaster for US Economy.

I am guessing any such reforms will be purely for new H1bs. Over time time, the companies will be forced to convert H1bs to Green Card at a higher rate than in the past. Which is a win-win.
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Posted by msmba (29) 02 Feb 2017#42
to festinaLente:

We need some focused effort individually and from organizations to get this bill to go forward- now more than ever. Best we can do is call our representative and ask them to be a co-sponsor. I called mine at her local office and the guy who talked to me was super nice. He took all the information and said he will pass this info that her constituents want her to be a co-sponsor. Took me less than 3 minutes, a lot less than I spend on these boards. :-) Felt good that I helped myself, even if I don't have any say in the process.
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Posted by arc99 (1002) 02 Feb 2017#43
to festinaLente:

You are correct. They hinted 'while you are trying to screw employment-based visas as well, let us offer you some direction '
http://gizmodo.com/silicon-valley-innovators-di...

Also, Microsoft proposed a very good to the point letter to State dept and DHS. http://www.geekwire.com/2017/microsoft-asks-u-s... They are not asking for blanket removal of ban and allow refugees like other companies. I think if companies like this get behind the removal of country limit then there will be a huge impact.
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Posted by Sinchan (69) 02 Feb 2017#44
to bstx:

Lots if good info.. Thank You.. Hoping we can all together make this move and delay shorten !
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Posted by ZONEMAN (378) 02 Feb 2017#45
to Sinchan:

Friends , normally I am a very optimistic person. But why do I get a feeling no matter what there is 0% chance of this bill ever passing??
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Posted by guesswhat123 (806) 02 Feb 2017#46
to ZONEMAN:

Im on the same boat, Im an optimistic person ..but I cant get over the fact that we are cornered in to worse possible situation .. with some one like bannon/sessions dictating all EO's and policies for this admin now.. with no moderating force to appose them ..feels like there is nothing we can do
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Posted by IVdonationscam (20) 02 Feb 2017#47
IV has been always has been on the news on this forum.

Everybody who has joined their Telegram know that they talk rude as soon as somebody asks a question and will ask him to leave. Let me share some details and then you decide

1. Where is the track of excess donation ?
Each month they keep asking people to donate and donate and donate till they reach a target i.e $21000 a month. Last month if you notice, they received almost $30,000 (screenshot below). Why isn't the spillover from Jan carried forward to Feb ? That was 9K over your monthly target ? Where did that go ? Shouldn't the donations be transparent like they claim

Have a Look
http://imgur. com/a/2foBN

and now have a look of the Feb Donation Tracker (again asking for 21K)
https://immigrationvoice. org/forum/community_donations.php

2. Bumped up Paypal Fees
Have a look of Total Paypal Fees which they claim on their website, it is bumped up by few %. Use any Paypal Fees Calculator on Internet and you will know what I mean

3. Where is the track of last 11 years of donations ? They just now hired "Leon Fresco" as per the claim for which they need 21K a month (OK granted) but where is the money which people have donated till now ? Back in Sep/Oct last year they collected 60,000$ for DC event. When volunters are paying for Hotel, Food, Travel for the DC event why do they need shit load of $$$ for DC EVENT. They claim its for Stationery and setting up the 300-350 meetings with various offices. WOW! thats amazing SIAA has been doing this too, they don't ask money like IV (I am not a SIAA bhakt. I am just posting some facts)

4. Shady Tax Returns
If you look at IV Tax Claim, it is not very clear/transparent where the funds were spend, all is listed as "Other Expenses".
http: // pdfs.citizenaudit. org/2015_07_EO/20-4110064_990O_201412.pdf

5. IV Claims that they are registered organization and bashes SIAA all the time but have a look of so called "Organization" address : 3561 Homestead Rd
Homestead Shopping Center,Santa Clara, CA 95051. That is rented Post box from PostalAnnex. Google it

I have met and got co-sponsorship of 4 congressman when HR213 was there in 114th Congress and I am working on getting them back enrolled for HR392.
I am not trying drag people away from HR392 and I feel that is the only way to gets things done. However I don't want people to fall for Thugs blindly.
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Posted by festinaLente (131) 02 Feb 2017#48
to guesswhat123:

a small group *may* influence but cannot dictate policy for ever. remember that these are very smart people who have wealthy donors who stand to gain A LOT from skilled immigration. if you are a legitimate knowledge worker in this country you will be needed and won't have any problems. please go about your daily life and enjoy a turn in the tide, to your advantage. disregard the fear mongering, sharpen your skills and look fwd to a prosperous future for your family in this country. life is too wonderful to spent worrying like this!
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Posted by rbtr (22) 02 Feb 2017#49
to lwfp1:

Let me try to address this question.. I am a low level member of IV... I am part of IV just because I want to help myself.. I don't contribute a SINGLE PENNY to them BUT I work with other IV volunteers to make calls, visit congressman's office etc.... so my request to all of you is to support IV in all those activities to get HR 392 done... that is our only way out and there is a good chance that it would get through as a compromise for restricting H1/L1 visa.
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Posted by Sinchan (69) 02 Feb 2017#50
to rbtr:

If this bill is passed (H.R. 392, Fairness for High Skilled Immigrants Act) - does that mean there will be no backlog for EB2 (from India)? Because the country cap will be removed and it will be FIFO basis?
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